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may I pick your brains/wisdom? boss doesn't understand ra is for life Options
Jane.
#1 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 7:59:21 PM Quote
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Mad Huh Confused

Just want to say I'm frustrated, repeating myself.
On work thread I mentioned I returned to work last week on recoup hours.
Monday, Friday and today my superviser wanted a word with me.
The same old same old is being asked and I'm repeating the same answers.

Started new drugs Friday (on drugs thread) and had steriod injection last week. My superviser asked if
My medication had worked and if I was normal again.

I got orthp surgeon next month for my knee, methtrix and another one I started last Friday needs time to work.

My superviser indicates she understands, but I don't think she does. She sees an elderly relative with arthritis hill walking most days as an example of that I must be mobile like that!!

Any advice on how to tackle this (in a professional way)?

I love my job, feeling my superviser doesn't believe I have ra.

How would you deal?
I welcome thoughts.

Jane
Xxx
Naomi1
#2 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 8:22:41 PM Quote
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I would download the NRAS booklet about employees with RA, and also find a good article describing what RA is like from a reliable source that she will recognise (maybe NHS Choices). Say that you'd really like her to read through the stuff you've bought for her so that you can be supported fully at work. I think she needs more information about your illness. When I was first ill my boss said to me "I understand because I have osteoarthritis in my knees". I couldn't help raising my voice somewhat and said I'm sorry but this is COMPLETELY different. She had meant well but to be honest she didn't have a clue. However since then she's obviously gone away and read up on RA because she uses terms like 'flare up' now. It's really important that employers and supervisors have a decent understanding of RA and the treatments we need for it. Good luck with this. It sounds like you have your work cut out. Please let us know what action you decide to take and how you get on. Naomi, X
Dorothy-W
#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:48:27 AM Quote
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jane hi, i had problems at work myself and i sent for the work books from nras one is for the employer and the other for you to read also get the fatigue etc,my bosses were so good and put loads into place for me,i was a manual worker so had heavy workloads,sadly my boss left and a new company bought over,the new area manager said i didnt need my aids so took them away i did compplain and had a right a ding dong, lots more happened but i left,get the books and as naomi says as much info as pos for them,if you can catch richc now he is back if he is about i am sure there is something about disabled discrimination you could mention,i didnt know about it back then but boy wish i had,unless you have ra etc it cant be understood,all the best dorothy
Jane.
#4 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:44:06 AM Quote
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Smile ThumpUp Thankyou all for your replies.
I got the booklet along with other ones I was given 5 years ago at an arthritis awareness/adjusting to arthritis at the hospital.
I have a thing for picking up more on appointments in case different things may happen or I need help gardening for example.

I'm back in tomorrow for work, so shall take in and wait for her to take me away for a "is your ra cleared up/have the pills taken effect yet" talks!

Wouldn't it be fantastic if we could all work somewhere together, the banter, the tears, the laughs and understandings of each other.

You are all like my angels!

I will let you all know how it goes.

Thank you all again.
Jane
Xxx
Naomi1
#5 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:56:03 PM Quote
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Good luck Jane......it's a laughable question......"has your RA cleared up yet". If only! Yes please keep us posted as many of us can learn from this situation. My workplace is currently being 'restructured' and I may be redeployed or end up with new management so even though my current boss is OK this might not always be the case for me. Dorothy, I think your ex bosses were behaving illegally and I hope you took them through the legal system...I would have done! Naomi, X
smith-j
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:22:27 PM Quote
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Jane

It is sound advice about giving your employer a copy of the NRAS booklet for employers. I was diagnosed three and half years ago and had been unwell for some time and had quite a lot of sickness days. Everyone in the office thought I was putting it on.

On my return to work following my diagnosis, I gave a copy of the booklet to my site manager, the HR department and the Managing Director. Oh my did their attitude change. They then realised it was a chronic incurable, yes "incurable" disease and this absolutely floored everyone. Now they bend over backwards to help and I work from home two days a week as a result of this to allow me to rest inbetween "working" days. I do actually do more work at home than I do in the office because of less interruptions but I have had no sick days since this was put into place. It is also a good idea to leave a copy lying around on your desk as fellow colleagues do become curious and it really helps them understand what you are going through.

Your supervisor needs to know now that you cannot be cured and you will continue to ride that rollercoaster of good and bad times. If she will not accept this then she is in danger of discriminating against you.

I quite agree with your comment that it would be good if we could all work together. I expect with our fortitude we would make a business thrive as we struggle on through good and bad times.

Keep us posted and take care

Jackie
xx
anne_t
#7 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:23:40 PM Quote
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Hi,
Have you thought about wearing the new NRAS badge on your coat or jacket?
This may also be an introduction to someone who you are thinking may be has RA.
Anne
sylviax
#8 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 7:51:54 AM Quote
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Hi Anne - what NRAS badge? Was this promoted in the new mag? I really feel I'm missing out as my mag STILL hasn't arrived!!!!!!!!


Good luck with work this week, Jane (and all you others who face that same challenge!) - hope your RA keeps within acceptable bounds and doesn't interfer too much with everything you need to get done. Maybe that's one way of explaining this disease to your boss - it'll never go away, and some days it doesn't have much impact on what you do, but other days it's crippling! Despite this, you are genuine in your efforts to lead a normal, productive life and every day you rise to the challenge of RA and find new ways to manage it and avoid it taking over. All you're asking for is a bit of understanding and freedom to solve your RA problems without other people judging you harshly.

Good luck - stay relaxed - believe it'll get easier - Sylvia xx
Be kinder than is necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
anne_t
#9 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 6:11:22 PM Quote
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Hi Sylvia,
I first read about these badges from a post by Dorothy sometime ago but can't find it now.
I decided to look in Ebay under NRAS badges.!!! They came up straightaway.
Ialso found out that as we renew our subscriptions one will be sent out to you,
As a novice with computers I am unable to add a link to Ebay. Hope this helps
Anne
jenni_b
#10 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 11:05:19 PM Quote
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Jane

If in doubt
Get the hard back, large print version
It should RA in big gold letters.
Trip them up with your sticks and bash them with the book.
Then ask if they are over the ra

Wink
They are utterly rediculous saying are you over that yet, I'd be really cross!
how to be a velvet bulldoser
sylviax
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:50:31 AM Quote
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Thanks Anne

I found the badges - very nice too.





Just for interest, if anyone wants to add a link, here is how you do it

1. Open another separate window and find whatever it is you want to link to - eg in this case eBay. Copy the URL - that means look for the address line which probably starts http://..........
highlight the entire address with your mouse and copy it (see below for further instruction on copying)

2. Go back to the forum window and open the Post Reply window (not the quickreply) - you should see a load of buttons along the top - B I U then some little pictures (icons) - the 4th icon looks like a world with a chain link - that's the one you need - called create link.

3. Click the create link icon. A small pop-up will appear which has words that appear to make no sense! Don't worry!

- press the ctrl key on your keyboard together with the v key and that will paste in the address you have just copied
- click on OK
- another pop-up appears and you need to type in a word or two that describes the link
- click on OK again, and you've done it! ebay link
- Lots of weird text will appear in your message, but if you click on the Preview button and scroll up to the top - you should see your message with the link in a different colour

When you've finished your entire message click Post and that's done. It seems a lot of hassle when written down but if you try it, it's very quick and with practice it becomes very easy to do. I'm very happy to explain this further if you've got any questions.

[Extra tip to quickly copy and paste using the keyboard - highlight the words to copy; then press ctrl key together with c key; move to wherever you want the copied text to appear and press ctrl together with v key]

Sylvia xx
Be kinder than is necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
anne_t
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:39:54 AM Quote
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Thanks Sylvia for trying. Its a bit late now so will try again later today.
Couldn't find an OK button!! Anne
Dorothy-W
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:27:52 AM Quote
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ok i give up every time i try to shuffle things i end up losing the lot,my son has now barred me from attempting anything other than putting the thing on and off,kids eh! ah well call me ancient,now where did i put the writting pad and penConfused ,dorothy
Jane.
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:00:23 PM Quote
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Smilehello everyone.
Week three of returning to work.
Haven't done any karate with my stick (yet)!!

Pattern at work, begining and end of the week superviser takes me away for recoup "meeting". She prefers public places to carry out sensitive in confidence meeting. So far we have done this in the canteen (luckily hardly anyone in there). By a cashpoint machine.....were people come into a small room to with draw money.
I know you are all wishing I should speak up, easier said then done. I have asked to go somewhere private, she says we can whisper!! I have come very close to being tearful (but tell myself to keep it together)!

I waited for her to begin, same conversation - are your pills making you better? Its been a while, surely you know you feel well now, well you look well!!!
I spoke up and said ra is not based on how someone is looking, it is how the person feels with ra and their mobility and pain would indicate to the individual.
Said I feel awful, the same as I have done for sometime, stiff, not able to stretch/bend my knee. Painful finger/hand joints.apinful ankle.
So her answer was: maybe you should go off sick!!!! I said NO not until my next operation. She went on about her pet having arthritis in parts of his body, but he can get up for a wee!!
I mentioned that I have an awareness nras employers booklet, she didn't seem interested. I said because she hasn't got a bag to pop it in I will keep in my work bag until she has her bag or an envelope for our next meeting. She says she knows all about arthritis because of her pet and elderly relative.

I have asked for another dse assessment (cover my back). She adviced she would forward to my superviser, the comment the assessor put on the electronic form was muscle strain from trying to reach the keyboard!!!
So I have a new chair which came earlier in the year that couldn't be adjusted until I came back to work, still waiting for chair man. I can't reach up and down stalk (a colleague has to adjust on my behalf). Once chair man has done tweekings it will all be fine.

I told my superviser ra medication doesn't cure you, doesn't have results short term, and her same questions is stressing me.....she said I will do a referral to the organisation doctor because you can't cope! The cheek!!!!!!!!
Also, thinks I need a case conference with human resources, occ health and her to decide if I can't do my job, I said give me a chance, third week back to work on recoup.

I got organisation doctor next week, I shall report my frustrations to him.......at least he understands and listens!!
Maybe she wants shot of me because I'm outside her comfort zone of "normal" staff!!!!

I'm shattered typing this!!
Jane
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smith-j
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:14:16 PM Quote
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Jane

Your Supervisor is making me really angry on your behalf. How on earth did she make Supervisor with her man management skills?

When you go to see the Occupational Doctor print out this thread and let him read it and see your frustration on how you are being treated. When we go to see Doctors we always forget to say what we really mean and get flustered. It is better written down how you feel and how you are being treated.

Your Supervisor is looking for a quick fix of a chronic INCURABLE disease. You really must get over to the Occupational Doctor that this Supervisor is not qualified to make a decision on your future employment if she will not take the time to understand your illness.

I could rant on for hours abour your Supervisor but I think you need to move on from her and either go above her or to your HR department. I personally would refuse to have any more meetings with her stating that she does not meet with you in a suitable and confidential environment, she is not willing to learn about your illness and she is expecting you to make a recovery and therefore is discriminating against you under the disability act by not making reasonable adjustments. Reasonable adjustments means more than giving you a better chair, it means listening and understanding your illness.

Please don't let this Supervisor win. You are in a job which you deserve and should be allowed to keep.

Keep us posted.

Take care

Jackie
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